1 00:00:12,250 --> 00:00:06,150 you 2 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:14,400 [Music] 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:17,510 okay hello everyone my name is Jake 4 00:00:21,070 --> 00:00:19,850 Hansen and I'm here to share some work 5 00:00:23,460 --> 00:00:21,080 that I've been doing with Steve - 6 00:00:25,870 --> 00:00:23,470 regarding disintegrating planets and 7 00:00:28,540 --> 00:00:25,880 hopefully it's not too confusing that 8 00:00:31,269 --> 00:00:28,550 Owens talk was about hydrodynamic escape 9 00:00:33,460 --> 00:00:31,279 from normal planets and these are 10 00:00:35,950 --> 00:00:33,470 disintegrating planets much lower mass 11 00:00:37,900 --> 00:00:35,960 regime but still exhibiting hydrodynamic 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:37,910 escape and I think there is some overlap 13 00:00:43,390 --> 00:00:40,930 but I haven't been able to think about 14 00:00:44,530 --> 00:00:43,400 the details of exactly how they overlap 15 00:00:47,229 --> 00:00:44,540 so hopefully it doesn't confuse you 16 00:00:53,500 --> 00:00:47,239 hopefully it's enlightening to some 17 00:00:56,500 --> 00:00:53,510 bones research ok ok so why care about 18 00:00:57,670 --> 00:00:56,510 integrating planets at all the reason 19 00:00:59,110 --> 00:00:57,680 that disintegrating planets are 20 00:01:00,910 --> 00:00:59,120 important is because it's one of the few 21 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:00,920 ways that we can get simultaneous mass 22 00:01:07,210 --> 00:01:03,369 and Composition constraints 23 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:07,220 observational about planets the 24 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:09,110 distribution of planet composition of 25 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:10,610 the function of mass is ultimately 26 00:01:14,109 --> 00:01:12,110 what's going to constrain which 27 00:01:17,020 --> 00:01:14,119 planetary processes are possible so 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:17,030 things relevant for life such as abiotic 29 00:01:20,859 --> 00:01:19,610 outgassing and tectonic activity are 30 00:01:22,300 --> 00:01:20,869 going to be constrained by planetary 31 00:01:23,679 --> 00:01:22,310 compositions so we're going to have and 32 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:23,689 we're going to need to have a handle on 33 00:01:28,530 --> 00:01:26,210 the distribution of composition if we 34 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:28,540 want to constrain the abiotic signature 35 00:01:33,550 --> 00:01:31,970 so in other words how I'm viewing this 36 00:01:35,770 --> 00:01:33,560 problem is we're getting Starlight 37 00:01:38,020 --> 00:01:35,780 passing through an atmosphere that we 38 00:01:40,149 --> 00:01:38,030 hope is from a planet teeming with life 39 00:01:42,550 --> 00:01:40,159 and the spectral signatures of that life 40 00:01:45,190 --> 00:01:42,560 are imprinted in the spectrum and we 41 00:01:47,050 --> 00:01:45,200 catch it with JWST but we need to be 42 00:01:49,569 --> 00:01:47,060 able to separate that from a abiotic 43 00:01:51,580 --> 00:01:49,579 world that also has spectral signatures 44 00:01:53,230 --> 00:01:51,590 in its atmosphere and that's going to 45 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:53,240 depend on the compositions of the planet 46 00:01:58,780 --> 00:01:56,170 through the distribution of composition 47 00:02:01,660 --> 00:01:58,790 how you actually can get a composition 48 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:01,670 is actually a very involved process the 49 00:02:04,990 --> 00:02:03,710 first step is to understand how these 50 00:02:06,429 --> 00:02:05,000 planets are disintegrating which is 51 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:06,439 through Parker winds which is a steady 52 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:09,290 state mass loss hydrodynamic mass loss 53 00:02:12,990 --> 00:02:11,329 and then we're going to use the per 54 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:13,000 queuing formalism to constrain what 55 00:02:17,470 --> 00:02:14,959 properties are allowed so the mere 56 00:02:19,030 --> 00:02:17,480 existence of a steady state parker wind 57 00:02:20,979 --> 00:02:19,040 actually puts some constraints on what 58 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:20,989 mass planet you can have as well as the 59 00:02:24,690 --> 00:02:22,250 mean molecular weight for that planet's 60 00:02:26,530 --> 00:02:24,700 atmosphere so this is different than 61 00:02:28,210 --> 00:02:26,540 other forms of escape 62 00:02:29,589 --> 00:02:28,220 that are not steady states this project 63 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:29,599 is all through the lens of steady state 64 00:02:34,750 --> 00:02:32,810 and then once we have the mass we can 65 00:02:36,339 --> 00:02:34,760 calculate the velocity structure of the 66 00:02:37,869 --> 00:02:36,349 wind so ultimately these winds are 67 00:02:39,759 --> 00:02:37,879 accelerated beyond the escape velocity 68 00:02:42,220 --> 00:02:39,769 of the planet and so the velocity 69 00:02:44,289 --> 00:02:42,230 structure tells you when the wind will 70 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:44,299 escape and then we're also going to 71 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:45,769 couple the velocity structure to a 72 00:02:50,289 --> 00:02:47,450 mineral condensation code so that's 73 00:02:52,110 --> 00:02:50,299 really the unique portion of this 74 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:52,120 project is going to be coupling the 75 00:02:56,559 --> 00:02:54,769 hydrodynamic escapes from my parker 76 00:02:58,479 --> 00:02:56,569 winds to a condensation code that tells 77 00:03:00,699 --> 00:02:58,489 you how gas vapor condenses into dust 78 00:03:03,119 --> 00:03:00,709 and that's ultimately well ultimately 79 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:03,129 what you want to compare to spectra from 80 00:03:08,649 --> 00:03:07,010 JWST but unfortunately for you all this 81 00:03:10,270 --> 00:03:08,659 project is just focused on the first 82 00:03:12,399 --> 00:03:10,280 portion of this project so what can you 83 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:12,409 learn about planets that are hydro 84 00:03:17,710 --> 00:03:15,370 dynamically losing mass via Parker winds 85 00:03:18,940 --> 00:03:17,720 it's a little bit more about integrating 86 00:03:20,289 --> 00:03:18,950 planets you may be surprised to know 87 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:20,299 that there's only four known 88 00:03:25,390 --> 00:03:23,090 disintegrating planetary systems three 89 00:03:27,699 --> 00:03:25,400 around M stars and one around a white 90 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:27,709 dwarf observations tell us that these 91 00:03:33,460 --> 00:03:30,290 planets are extremely low mass there's 92 00:03:36,250 --> 00:03:33,470 upper limits on their masses they're hot 93 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:36,260 rocky and ultra short orbits so periods 94 00:03:42,460 --> 00:03:40,160 of order of one day you can back out the 95 00:03:43,839 --> 00:03:42,470 mass loss rates from the transit depths 96 00:03:46,030 --> 00:03:43,849 and people have calculated that it's 97 00:03:48,580 --> 00:03:46,040 about one earth mass per GigE or mass 98 00:03:50,289 --> 00:03:48,590 loss rate so for a low mass mercury mass 99 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:50,299 planet the mass loss rates are quite 100 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:52,970 substantial and the general thinking is 101 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:54,650 just these planets are too hot to hold 102 00:03:57,909 --> 00:03:56,510 on to the material so surface materials 103 00:04:00,009 --> 00:03:57,919 being vaporized this is different than 104 00:04:01,689 --> 00:04:00,019 losing an atmosphere and that vaporized 105 00:04:05,470 --> 00:04:01,699 material then forms an atmosphere which 106 00:04:07,539 --> 00:04:05,480 is kicked off as for how they're 107 00:04:09,009 --> 00:04:07,549 actually detected there's two big 108 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:09,019 telltale signs that you're looking at 109 00:04:13,569 --> 00:04:10,730 it's integrating planet the first is 110 00:04:15,819 --> 00:04:13,579 variable transit depth you can see this 111 00:04:18,310 --> 00:04:15,829 is a periodic signal but it varies in 112 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:18,320 depth and the second is an asymmetric 113 00:04:22,779 --> 00:04:20,510 transit profile so you can see the 114 00:04:25,060 --> 00:04:22,789 ingress is a much steeper gradient than 115 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:25,070 the egress and that's due to the diffuse 116 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:26,690 portion of the tail taking a long time 117 00:04:32,649 --> 00:04:31,250 to exit the face of the star so I've 118 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:32,659 mentioned Parker winds a few times a 119 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:34,610 little bit of historical context they 120 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:36,710 were originally developed by Eugene 121 00:04:40,220 --> 00:04:39,050 Parker to describe the solar wind so 122 00:04:42,620 --> 00:04:40,230 it's the exact same physics 123 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:42,630 from solar wind physics but now we're 124 00:04:46,940 --> 00:04:44,610 applying them to exoplanet so we're you 125 00:04:50,630 --> 00:04:46,950 know 40 50 years 60 years behind but 126 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:50,640 we're there now and Cayman told me that 127 00:04:54,730 --> 00:04:52,290 if I put too many equations he would 128 00:04:57,350 --> 00:04:54,740 personally kick me off the stage but I 129 00:04:59,450 --> 00:04:57,360 slimmed it down and these are the basics 130 00:05:01,970 --> 00:04:59,460 all that you really need to know is that 131 00:05:03,980 --> 00:05:01,980 it's a force equation where gravity and 132 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:03,990 pressure is trying to balance if the 133 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:05,850 right-hand side of that top equation 0 134 00:05:09,710 --> 00:05:07,890 that's hydrostatic equilibrium if you 135 00:05:11,630 --> 00:05:09,720 allow for a nonzero acceleration then 136 00:05:12,830 --> 00:05:11,640 you'll get the potential for a parker 137 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:12,840 winds the only other piece of 138 00:05:16,580 --> 00:05:14,700 information you need are a law for 139 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:16,590 conservation of mass and an equation of 140 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:18,330 state which we have some a polytope here 141 00:05:25,850 --> 00:05:23,070 and then the results we'll see how many 142 00:05:27,470 --> 00:05:25,860 is too many here the results is that you 143 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:27,480 get the wind velocity as a function of 144 00:05:31,820 --> 00:05:29,130 distance so that's really what we're 145 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:31,830 after this dimensionless variable psy is 146 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:34,290 velocity and distance is it mentioned 147 00:05:37,820 --> 00:05:36,510 this where you'll see and then we also 148 00:05:39,110 --> 00:05:37,830 have the June's parameter which is the 149 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:39,120 ratio of the gravitational potential 150 00:05:42,530 --> 00:05:40,560 energy to the thermal energy and that 151 00:05:45,110 --> 00:05:42,540 kind of characterizes the likelihood of 152 00:05:48,470 --> 00:05:45,120 of planets have this wind that was 153 00:05:50,690 --> 00:05:48,480 abstract if we were to imagine putting 154 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:50,700 mercury in a radiation environment of 155 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:53,250 2100 Kelvin we could ask ourself what 156 00:05:57,710 --> 00:05:55,250 would happen to our beloved mercury and 157 00:05:59,810 --> 00:05:57,720 basically you can see that winds can 158 00:06:01,370 --> 00:05:59,820 develop and about eight mercury radii 159 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:01,380 away the wind would reach escape 160 00:06:05,750 --> 00:06:03,090 velocity so mercury would undergo mass 161 00:06:07,820 --> 00:06:05,760 loss what you don't see in this plot 162 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:07,830 that's very important is that the mean 163 00:06:11,690 --> 00:06:09,510 molecular weight of the atmosphere is 164 00:06:14,330 --> 00:06:11,700 incredibly fine-tuned for this plot this 165 00:06:16,580 --> 00:06:14,340 is a six hydrogen mass atmosphere if I 166 00:06:18,620 --> 00:06:16,590 try to do the same thing for five or 167 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:18,630 seven there's no Parker wind solution 168 00:06:23,690 --> 00:06:21,930 and so the generalization of that is 169 00:06:26,210 --> 00:06:23,700 that there's two different regimes for 170 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:26,220 Parker winds to you have to operate 171 00:06:30,170 --> 00:06:28,530 between them in the upper regime so you 172 00:06:32,030 --> 00:06:30,180 can see this is planet mass and 173 00:06:34,010 --> 00:06:32,040 atmospheric mean molecular weight and 174 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:34,020 the upper regime your planet is too 175 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:35,730 massive or cold for your wind to 176 00:06:40,190 --> 00:06:38,490 overcome gravity in these shaded regions 177 00:06:42,170 --> 00:06:40,200 those are different temperatures that 178 00:06:44,390 --> 00:06:42,180 would have a Parker wind solutions you 179 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:44,400 can see for mercury if you knew the mass 180 00:06:47,780 --> 00:06:46,410 then you could calculate there's a very 181 00:06:49,490 --> 00:06:47,790 small mean molecular weight that would 182 00:06:51,590 --> 00:06:49,500 allow for a study state Parker wind to 183 00:06:54,090 --> 00:06:51,600 develop and these are for different 184 00:06:56,100 --> 00:06:54,100 temperatures and the lower regime is 185 00:06:59,370 --> 00:06:56,110 of the more subtle one in this regime 186 00:07:01,260 --> 00:06:59,380 the you can think of as too little mass 187 00:07:02,790 --> 00:07:01,270 for wins but I think it's easier to 188 00:07:05,790 --> 00:07:02,800 think of it as having too much thermal 189 00:07:07,380 --> 00:07:05,800 energy for wins to hold their shape so a 190 00:07:10,530 --> 00:07:07,390 parker wind is a subsonic to supersonic 191 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:10,540 wind and if you start your surface lots 192 00:07:15,330 --> 00:07:12,790 velocity supersonic there's no solution 193 00:07:17,370 --> 00:07:15,340 that kind of keeps that structure 194 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:17,380 propagating outward your your equation 195 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:19,870 blows up and you basically don't have a 196 00:07:23,580 --> 00:07:21,610 wind so that's not to say these planets 197 00:07:26,370 --> 00:07:23,590 can't lose mass they probably are losing 198 00:07:28,710 --> 00:07:26,380 mass through non steady state means but 199 00:07:30,570 --> 00:07:28,720 it is there is a lower limit for steady 200 00:07:31,890 --> 00:07:30,580 state Parker wins and so the 201 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:31,900 implications of that are that these 202 00:07:35,010 --> 00:07:33,730 Parker winds are extremely fine tuned if 203 00:07:37,170 --> 00:07:35,020 you want to assume steady state mass 204 00:07:39,570 --> 00:07:37,180 loss you have to be in a very small 205 00:07:42,690 --> 00:07:39,580 parameter space what you would expect 206 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:42,700 instead is for a periodic or sporadic 207 00:07:46,940 --> 00:07:44,770 mass loss corresponding to brief periods 208 00:07:49,890 --> 00:07:46,950 of time in the Parker wind regime and 209 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:49,900 the process itself may be self regulated 210 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:52,090 or throttled so you can imagine building 211 00:07:56,130 --> 00:07:54,490 up an atmosphere slowly heating your 212 00:07:57,150 --> 00:07:56,140 surface temperature until eventually you 213 00:07:59,130 --> 00:07:57,160 reach the point where you're in the 214 00:08:00,810 --> 00:07:59,140 steady state mass loss regime all of a 215 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:00,820 sudden you get these bulk ejection 216 00:08:05,550 --> 00:08:03,850 events and then you cool down and get 217 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:05,560 back to where you started originally and 218 00:08:09,990 --> 00:08:07,840 so it's my tip of the hat towards the 219 00:08:11,790 --> 00:08:10,000 alien mega-structure stars perhaps this 220 00:08:13,590 --> 00:08:11,800 is it but I would like to share this 221 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:13,600 quote with you from a BuzzFeed article 222 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:16,930 it says no amount of extreme mass so far 223 00:08:21,060 --> 00:08:18,250 has figured out what is going on with 224 00:08:22,230 --> 00:08:21,070 star named pic4 6 - 85 - and I kind of 225 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:22,240 laughed a sext I thought it sounds 226 00:08:27,570 --> 00:08:23,950 childish and I thought wait that's 227 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:27,580 basically exactly exactly what it is so 228 00:08:32,370 --> 00:08:30,610 anyways a few applications of this we 229 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:32,380 can look at something like 55 Cancri E 230 00:08:38,550 --> 00:08:35,680 you see it's a super earth very hot 2000 231 00:08:41,070 --> 00:08:38,560 Kelvin the period is less than a day and 232 00:08:43,469 --> 00:08:41,080 high density so it fits the bill for 233 00:08:48,510 --> 00:08:43,479 what a disintegrating planet should be 234 00:08:51,150 --> 00:08:48,520 but if you plot the mass if you plot the 235 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:51,160 mass of 55 Cancri you can see that there 236 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:52,870 is absolutely no reasonable temperature 237 00:08:57,510 --> 00:08:55,150 so the green line is 3000 Kelvin surface 238 00:09:00,210 --> 00:08:57,520 the blue is 1300 you can see there's no 239 00:09:03,930 --> 00:09:00,220 solution that comes in contact with the 240 00:09:06,260 --> 00:09:03,940 mass of almost 10 earth mass it's just 241 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:06,270 too massive of a planet 242 00:09:10,340 --> 00:09:08,130 so if we try to lower the mass of the 243 00:09:13,460 --> 00:09:10,350 planet so this is the point eight five 244 00:09:15,260 --> 00:09:13,470 earth-mass planet Trappist 1b this 245 00:09:16,910 --> 00:09:15,270 planet if it were a two thousand Kelvin 246 00:09:19,010 --> 00:09:16,920 it could it would have a solution for 247 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:19,020 Parker winds but the problem is that 248 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:20,850 it's at 400 kelvins 249 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:23,940 this planet is just too cold and ideally 250 00:09:26,750 --> 00:09:25,290 I would like to show you something in 251 00:09:28,910 --> 00:09:26,760 the other regime of this to a planet 252 00:09:30,590 --> 00:09:28,920 that's too small or too hot for a Parker 253 00:09:32,210 --> 00:09:30,600 wind but the problem is that if you get 254 00:09:33,710 --> 00:09:32,220 planets that are that low of mass we 255 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:33,720 have no way of detecting them to begin 256 00:09:38,329 --> 00:09:35,730 with unless so disintegrating so 257 00:09:39,980 --> 00:09:38,339 basically I have two examples for 258 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:39,990 planets that are too massive or too cold 259 00:09:44,990 --> 00:09:42,300 but no examples for too hot or too light 260 00:09:46,670 --> 00:09:45,000 because they're impossible to detect but 261 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:46,680 we do have these known disintegrating 262 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:48,570 planets these are low-mass planets that 263 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:51,600 exhibit almost steady state mass loss 264 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:53,730 and I say almost because each period 265 00:09:58,130 --> 00:09:55,770 they are continuously losing mass but 266 00:10:02,000 --> 00:09:58,140 those small variations in transit depths 267 00:10:06,079 --> 00:10:02,010 show that it's not perfectly hydro it's 268 00:10:08,180 --> 00:10:06,089 not a perfectly steady state system so 269 00:10:09,860 --> 00:10:08,190 this plot now these these colors regions 270 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:09,870 show the solution space for those 271 00:10:12,889 --> 00:10:11,310 different planets so I said there were 272 00:10:14,540 --> 00:10:12,899 four but two of them have the same 273 00:10:15,769 --> 00:10:14,550 effective temperature so here I'm taking 274 00:10:18,740 --> 00:10:15,779 the surface temperature to be the 275 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:18,750 effective temperature and you can see 276 00:10:22,069 --> 00:10:20,250 this is the allowed solution space and 277 00:10:23,990 --> 00:10:22,079 even without knowing the molecular 278 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:24,000 weight of these planet's atmosphere you 279 00:10:27,740 --> 00:10:26,010 can put a constraint on their mass just 280 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:27,750 by assuming that the mean molecular 281 00:10:30,949 --> 00:10:28,680 weight of the atmosphere is somewhere 282 00:10:32,269 --> 00:10:30,959 less than 60 if you were to get better 283 00:10:33,710 --> 00:10:32,279 constraints on the mean molecular 284 00:10:35,090 --> 00:10:33,720 weights of this atmosphere you could put 285 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:35,100 very tight constraints on the allowed 286 00:10:39,019 --> 00:10:37,410 mass for these planets but without the 287 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:39,029 mean molecular weight constraint you can 288 00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:40,290 still concern them to be somewhere 289 00:10:43,910 --> 00:10:41,910 between 10 to the negative 3 earth mass 290 00:10:45,319 --> 00:10:43,920 and one or it's not so the upper limit 291 00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:45,329 obviously is not that surprising you 292 00:10:50,510 --> 00:10:48,180 need a very small mass planet to be able 293 00:10:52,850 --> 00:10:50,520 to eject to end but the lower limit is 294 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:52,860 somewhat counterintuitive and that's 295 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:54,930 basically because I think the wind can't 296 00:11:01,370 --> 00:10:58,890 hold its shape so anyways the part that 297 00:11:03,380 --> 00:11:01,380 would be nice to tell you more about is 298 00:11:04,970 --> 00:11:03,390 the mineral condensation portion so I 299 00:11:07,550 --> 00:11:04,980 can give you a small teaser for that and 300 00:11:09,380 --> 00:11:07,560 basically what you do is you assume your 301 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:09,390 planetary parameters so you assume your 302 00:11:13,670 --> 00:11:11,610 surface temperature and stoichiometric 303 00:11:15,290 --> 00:11:13,680 composition and then you calculate the 304 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:15,300 velocity profile of your wind so your 305 00:11:18,949 --> 00:11:16,889 wind profile depends on your 306 00:11:21,169 --> 00:11:18,959 our mass and surface temperature and 307 00:11:23,749 --> 00:11:21,179 then you will compute two relevant time 308 00:11:25,849 --> 00:11:23,759 scales the first is basically the time 309 00:11:28,729 --> 00:11:25,859 scale for gas to condense onto grains 310 00:11:30,379 --> 00:11:28,739 and the second is the time for the win 311 00:11:32,660 --> 00:11:30,389 the time scale for the wind to diffuse 312 00:11:33,710 --> 00:11:32,670 if you set these two time scales equal 313 00:11:35,869 --> 00:11:33,720 you can calculate what's called the 314 00:11:37,609 --> 00:11:35,879 freeze-out radius which is defined as 315 00:11:40,369 --> 00:11:37,619 the point beyond which the wind is 316 00:11:43,909 --> 00:11:40,379 moving too fast for your particles to 317 00:11:45,379 --> 00:11:43,919 condense and so that will be the final 318 00:11:48,379 --> 00:11:45,389 distance at which you're actively 319 00:11:50,659 --> 00:11:48,389 condensing minerals and then what what 320 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:50,669 the plan is is to iteratively condense 321 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:52,290 from the surface out to this freeze-out 322 00:11:56,299 --> 00:11:53,970 radius and compute your mineral 323 00:11:59,090 --> 00:11:56,309 abundances and then compare that to 324 00:12:01,099 --> 00:11:59,100 observed spectrum and in theory you can 325 00:12:02,869 --> 00:12:01,109 go the other way but obviously this 326 00:12:05,769 --> 00:12:02,879 isn't the portion that we worked out in 327 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:05,779 all the detail so in summary 328 00:12:08,689 --> 00:12:07,649 compositional constraints are very 329 00:12:10,249 --> 00:12:08,699 important because we're going to need 330 00:12:13,939 --> 00:12:10,259 them to put constraints on the abiotic 331 00:12:15,650 --> 00:12:13,949 signatures of planets disintegrating 332 00:12:17,150 --> 00:12:15,660 planets allow simultaneous mass and 333 00:12:20,929 --> 00:12:17,160 compositional constraints which is very 334 00:12:22,789 --> 00:12:20,939 important and the main results from this 335 00:12:26,449 --> 00:12:22,799 soccer that parker winds are very 336 00:12:28,009 --> 00:12:26,459 fine-tuned solution space and a periodic 337 00:12:29,629 --> 00:12:28,019 or throttled mass loss is probably more 338 00:12:31,309 --> 00:12:29,639 likely where you pass in and out of this 339 00:12:34,189 --> 00:12:31,319 regime where you're capable of launching 340 00:12:36,739 --> 00:12:34,199 steady-state winds and for the known 341 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:36,749 planets the mass constraints that we 342 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:37,649 would put on them are somewhere between 343 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:40,110 10 to the negative 3 and 1's mass i just 344 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:41,970 like to quickly thank Steve for his help 345 00:12:44,869 --> 00:12:43,860 as well as my adviser Sarah Walker in 346 00:12:46,929 --> 00:12:44,879 the rest of our group for their help and 347 00:12:50,119 --> 00:12:46,939 advice and if you have any questions 348 00:12:57,740 --> 00:12:50,129 please email me at Jake Hansen asu.edu 349 00:13:00,530 --> 00:12:59,640 thanks Jake we have about three minutes 350 00:13:05,250 --> 00:13:00,540 for questions 351 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:05,260 Wanda hi Jake I am so sorry that I did 352 00:13:12,170 --> 00:13:07,090 not mention this previously I see you 353 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:12,180 almost every day but you do realize that 354 00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:17,110 wd1 145 and the body that's orbiting it 355 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:18,880 and what you're calling a disintegrating 356 00:13:24,630 --> 00:13:22,210 planet is on a nearly circular orbit 357 00:13:27,810 --> 00:13:24,640 that passes through the white door Roche 358 00:13:30,420 --> 00:13:27,820 radius at least twice during orbit right 359 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:30,430 that's wise disintegrating but Parker 360 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:33,370 wind treatment that is applicable to the 361 00:13:40,410 --> 00:13:36,690 other planets I don't think you should 362 00:13:44,460 --> 00:13:40,420 include the WD one one four five rocky 363 00:13:46,110 --> 00:13:44,470 body with it okay alright I do yeah the 364 00:13:49,470 --> 00:13:46,120 this treatment is just for a given 365 00:13:51,210 --> 00:13:49,480 surface temperature and so I guess for 366 00:13:53,610 --> 00:13:51,220 the point of my argument it's just a 367 00:13:55,740 --> 00:13:53,620 theoretical planet in that system would 368 00:13:57,180 --> 00:13:55,750 have this math constraint and that 369 00:13:59,400 --> 00:13:57,190 system is also complicated because 370 00:14:02,370 --> 00:13:59,410 there's the six different bodies and so 371 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:02,380 I would say the be known disintegrating 372 00:14:07,650 --> 00:14:05,440 planets the canonical ones that I'm 373 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:07,660 thinking about are the three around the 374 00:14:11,940 --> 00:14:09,880 M stars okay good yeah the white dwarf 375 00:14:14,070 --> 00:14:11,950 is a little ratchet in this whole mess 376 00:14:15,810 --> 00:14:14,080 right no but they're the reason why 377 00:14:17,130 --> 00:14:15,820 they're just integrating right cuz it's 378 00:14:18,510 --> 00:14:17,140 passing through the roof yeah and that 379 00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:18,520 is not the case for any of the other sir 380 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:22,720 okay hi Russell dietrich University of 381 00:14:28,410 --> 00:14:25,450 Washington I was curious if the Parker 382 00:14:30,030 --> 00:14:28,420 wind if it's ever if the mass loss is 383 00:14:33,210 --> 00:14:30,040 ever really strong enough that you would 384 00:14:36,630 --> 00:14:33,220 get some change in the orbit of the 385 00:14:38,190 --> 00:14:36,640 planet do you see or orbital be K would 386 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:38,200 you expect orbital decay or anything 387 00:14:42,210 --> 00:14:40,210 like that well unfortunately don't have 388 00:14:45,540 --> 00:14:42,220 many of these systems but there was the 389 00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:45,550 2014 wrap-up or at all papers there 390 00:14:48,990 --> 00:14:47,440 seems to be a feedback mechanism where 391 00:14:51,330 --> 00:14:49,000 you see the depth of the transit on a 392 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:51,340 year average is getting shallower and 393 00:14:54,450 --> 00:14:52,630 shallower and so that seems to imply 394 00:14:57,090 --> 00:14:54,460 that this planet is losing so much mass 395 00:14:59,220 --> 00:14:57,100 that the feedback from the mass loss has 396 00:15:00,990 --> 00:14:59,230 affected the mass of the planet itself 397 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:01,000 in a way that dictates the mass loss 398 00:15:04,950 --> 00:15:03,280 again so you can see a feedback process 399 00:15:07,580 --> 00:15:04,960 that the amount of mass is oozing is 400 00:15:10,970 --> 00:15:07,590 actively affecting its future mass loss 401 00:15:12,380 --> 00:15:10,980 but that's the only case that had some 402 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:12,390 sort of feedback mechanism 403 00:15:18,380 --> 00:15:16,529 thanks we have time for one more hi Bill 404 00:15:21,820 --> 00:15:18,390 diamond from the SETI Institute just a 405 00:15:25,790 --> 00:15:21,830 question on the graph you had with the 406 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:25,800 various light curve depths because they 407 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:27,690 did seem quite random but they didn't 408 00:15:32,990 --> 00:15:30,450 seem to me to indicate a trend toward 409 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:33,000 you know suggesting continual mass loss 410 00:15:35,390 --> 00:15:34,410 they seemed kind of all over the place 411 00:15:38,660 --> 00:15:35,400 mm-hmm 412 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:38,670 so I think that what's the point that 413 00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:40,290 I'm trying to make with the steady state 414 00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:41,820 mass off of those planets is the fact 415 00:15:45,769 --> 00:15:43,500 that they're continuously losing mass 416 00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:45,779 puts them in and around the steady-state 417 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:48,720 regime and so when I talk about the 418 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:50,490 throttle to a periodic mass loss what 419 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:53,610 I'm thinking of as planets that are far 420 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:56,730 from the regime of losing mass via 421 00:16:00,380 --> 00:15:58,410 Parker wins and then they enter the 422 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:00,390 regime briefly only to lose an 423 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:02,250 atmosphere and then go back to being far 424 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:04,170 from the regime and so I picture these 425 00:16:08,090 --> 00:16:05,850 planets as at least being close to the 426 00:16:11,390 --> 00:16:08,100 steady-state regime and the fact that 427 00:16:13,010 --> 00:16:11,400 they're variable the depth of the 428 00:16:14,990 --> 00:16:13,020 transit is variable I take to mean that 429 00:16:16,700 --> 00:16:15,000 obviously the surface temperature those 430 00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:16,710 planets isn't fixed and you do get 431 00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:18,180 fluctuations in the amount of mass 432 00:16:21,770 --> 00:16:19,710 you're actually losing but they're very